and i think that's probably what shocks the nation. you know, when they read that a 6-year-old was shot from 6 to 11 times. you know what a 6-year-old looks like. i know what a 6-year-old looks like. i know what gunshots look like. that has tipped the country to say wait a minute. we'll protect those hunters. they can go hunting. we will protect the right to be able to own a gun to protect your home. but what i've been saying for years, the average citizen does not need any of this. >> no doubt. congresswoman, thank you for your time tonight. carolyn mccarthy with us here on "the ed show." and that is "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> thanks. there is a lot to get to this hour, including news about potential gun law reforms and the continuing reaction to the newtown, connecticut, school massacre there.

is some surprising news out of michigan on that issue today that we're going to be getting to. there is news about who is going to be in the united states senate in this next congress. we found out yesterday who is being tapped to replace senator jim demint, who is leaving the senate. we also found out yesterday who might replace john kerry if he leaves the senate to be secretary of state. we found out today who is the odds-on favorite to replace long-time hawaii senator daniel inouye, who died yesterday. we've got all that news ahead. but we begin tonight with something that is an important story in its own terms. but for those of us at msnbc and nbc news, it is also an incredibly emotional thing. and i can tell you, it ends with good news. it ends with this news, which i can say personally was greeted by all of us as the best news in the world when we saw it. it's nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel, looking a little dishevelled, a little less groomed than usual,

but as you can see, looking like himself. on the left this is gazi and john cloister, a long-time nbc news photographer. these three men were able to appear live on the "today" show, fife days after being kidnapped and held in captivity in syria. just hours before this shot of them this morning, they were freed by a syrian rebel group who rescued them from an unknown group that had taken them and that had held them for five, long, horrible days. the rebel group not only rescued these three, they then took responsibility for driving them to the border and getting them safely out of syria. they were in syria in the first place to cover the war there. this is footage of richard's last piece for nbc news before the kidnapping happened. richard and his team are veterans in this field. they've been working together for a decade in just about every corner of the world you can imagine, including long stints covering the war in iraq. also the war in afghanistan. when they filed this report last week from aleppo in syria, they

reported that conditions were about as bad as you can imagine. bread lines, no medicine, a bombed out hospital, and a lot of very, very desperate civilians in syria's largest city. it was after filing that devastating report that richard engel and his team were captured. >> we were driving in syria, about five days ago in what we thought was a rebel-controlled area. we were with some of the rebels. and as we were moving down the road, a group of gunmen just literally jumped out of the trees and bushesed on the side of the road. there were probably 15 gunmen. they were wearing ski masks. they were heavily armed. they dragged us out of the car. they had a container truck positioned, waiting by the side of the road. they put us into that container truck. we were with some gunmen, some rebels who were escorting us. they executed one of them on the spot. then they took us to a series of

safe houses and interrogation places, and they kept us blindfolded, bound. we weren't physically beaten or tortured. it was a lot of psychological torture, threats of being killed. they made us choose which one of us would be shot first. and when we refused, there were mock shootings. they pretended to shoot gazi several times. and when you're blindfolded and they fire the gun up in the air, it can be very traumatic experience. and at the end of this, we were being moved to yet another location in the late -- around 11:00 last night local time. and as we were moving along the road, the kidnappers came across a rebel checkpoint, something they hadn't expected. so we were in the back of what you would think of as a minivan. and as we were driving along the road, the kidnappers saw this checkpoint, started a gunfight with it.

two of the kidnappers were killed. we climbed out of the vehicle and the rebels took us. we spent the night with them. we didn't get much sleep. and we came right here. and we just got into turkey a short while ago. i still have on me, i think these guys do as well the bandages in our pockets. these are the clothes we were wearing. >> made from our bedsheets. >> yeah, they were torn from the bedsheets we were in. it was a traumatic experience. we're very happy to be here. we're in good health. we're okay. everyone was great. nbc was fantastic in informing our families and keeping people up to date, keeping the story quiet. but while we're obviously very happy, there are many people who are still not at liberty to do this kind of thing there are still hostages there are still people who don't have their freedom inside syria. and we wish them well. >> richard, it's david. and let me just add it is so great to see you and your team and to hear from you this morning. can you take us a little bit

more through who you think this was? did they seem experienced? you and your team have been throughout syria. and what clues were you getting along the way about what they wanted? >> yeah, i think i have a very good idea of who they were. this was a group known as the shabiha. this is a government militia. these are people who are loyal to president bashar al assad. they have shiite. they were talking openly about their loyalty to the government, openly expressing their shia faith. they are trained by iranian revolutionary guard. they are allied with hezbollah. we were told that they wanted to exchange us for four iranian agents and two lebanese people who were from the movement. they captured us in order to carry out this exchange.

and that's what they were hoping to do. they were going to bring us to a hezbollah stronghold inside syria right now. we were on our way there when we ran into this rebel checkpoint and we had this escape and freedom. >> and richard, john, and gazi, i know you all are all very experienced. but i'm wondering how you are feeling this morning, how you're doing and how you're processing what must have been an absolutely terrifying experience. >> gazi, you want that? >> well, to be honest, when we first got captured, for me at least it was a bit of a moment of disbelief. but i've worked with those guys for a long time in harsh environments. and we get each other very well. we work with each other very well. i was actually captured with them because we kept each other's spirits up.

i'll be honest. they were long, hard five days. my family, my brother, my parents, my wife, and i was feeling bad what i'd been putting them through because of my captivity. but it did help a lot that we were together. and i must say. when we were freed yesterday, you know, the rescued by the rebels, one of the happiest moments of my life. i must say that. >> we had talked about that today. that you find a happy spot, what you were thinking. i for one found a very happy spot and i stayed there. but during the ordeal, i made -- i make amends with my maker, i made good with my maker. i made good with myself. i was prepared to die many times. >> moving was the hardest part. >> it was disconcerting to move blindfolded from house to house. >> you think they're going to be taking you outside to execute. >> for five days. >> but we did find that happy

spot. we kept each other, as ghazi said. >> we passed messages to each other. we joked around. we weren't allowed to speak. but if you sort of look kind of peek underneath the blindfold, you can see if maybe there is a guard in the room or not. and we tried to joke back and forth and keep our spirits up. >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel and his crew. >> ghazi balkiz and john kooistra. they were freed after five days after being held by an unknown group inside war-torn syria. what richard said about there being other people held who are not freed. he is right. austin tice is an american reporter who has worked for a number of outlets, including mcclatchy service and the "washington post." he has been missing in syria since august. in all there are 15 journalists who have reported to have gone missing in syria while reporting on this conflict. so far of the 15 only eight have been freed.

our richard and ghazi and john are three of them. we and they and their families feel very lucky and very happy tonight that that is the case, even as we continue to be concerned about those for whom we cannot yet say that foreign correspondents and crews know exactly how dangerous it can be to report from a war zone. we know in part from their reporting that this particular war zone appears to be descending into just total chaos right now. you can see signs of that in the syrian government's apparent decision to fire scud missiles inside its own territory at its own people. they deny they have done it. nato says they have evidence they have. you can see it in the increasing alarm in the increasing reports that the regime may at least be moving its chemical weapons stocks around the country. you can see it in richard's latest reporting from the largest city in syria, a city nearly the size of chicago. richard reporting that at least some of that city is becoming all but uninhabitable for civilian. more than two million people live in that city. where will they go?

and you see it in the actions of other countries towards syria. syria's closest ally other than iran is russia. today russia moved five warships to the mediterranean to prepare to evacuate russian citizens out of that country. there are a lot of russians who live in syria. and a massive evacuation is something russia had resisted doing all of this time because, we think, they thought it would make their ally look bad. well, now things have progressed in this war to the point where they appear to be no longer concerned than. they are preparing to get their people out. for those of us who are friends of richard and ghazi and john, and of course for their families, today and last night when we learned are just pure joy and relief that they are okay. but for all of us who beyond friendship just admire these guys, right, just admire their work, admire that they're willing to take such risks to report from war zones, the next thing today after the relief and the joy that they have been released unharmed, the next thing today is to remember that the thing they take that risk for is to get the story out to the world of what is happening in these war zones.

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cerberus. cerberus, of course, is the three-headed dog that guards the entrance to hell. cerberus is also the name of a $20 billion private equity firm that has made a ton of profit from owning something called the freedom group. the freedom group in recent years has been buying up many of the nation's gun companies. they have created a giant conglomerate gun company by buying individual gunmakers and sticking them all together as freedom group. yesterday afternoon former new york governor eliot spitzer suggested it might be time for major investors in cerberus to pressure the company to get out of the gun business. last night one very large investor, the california teachers pension fund did start to make a move in that direction. they said they were reviewing their investment in cerberus capital in light of friday's school shooting. that was late yesterday. and then at 1:00 a.m., at 1:00 a.m. eastern, cerberus announced it will be selling the freedom group, that big gun company it spent years building up.

one part of the freedom group that cerberus is now selling is bushmaster, the company that manufactured the gun that connecticut authorities say was used to kill all of the children who died in friday's killings. again, that announcement from cerberus happen at 1:00 a.m. and that was the start of a whole day long worth of lots of other unexpected changes. apparently all precipitated by friday's shootings. the retail chain dick's sporting goods today suspended sales of modern sporting rifles, ar-15-style rifles at all of its stores nationwide. the company also stopped sales and display of all guns at the store that is located closest to the shooting itself. meanwhile, the nation's largest retailer of guns and ammo, walmart, has removed from its website the description of the particular bushmaster rifle that was used in the newtown killings. walmart will still sell that gun to you. you just can't view it on their website anymore. also, a gun show planned for february in westchester county, new york, nearby the site of the

shooting in connecticut, that show has been canceled. it was due to be held at a government-owned building and the westchester executive says it would be inappropriate to hold that event given what just happened in newtown. that same gun show was suspended for a decade in the wake of the columbine shooting in 1999. it was only brought back two years ago in 2010. but now after newtown, it has been suspended again. another gun show scheduled to start january 5th in danbury, connecticut, which is very nearby the shooting site, that gun show has also been canceled. the show's promoter is not as yet commenting as to why. those were all relatively unexpected developments in the business side of the guns world today. there was also unexpected news in the political side of the guns world. michigan's republican governor is rick snyder. and today he vetoed a republican bill that would have allowed concealed weapons inside of michigan churches, day-care centers, and schools. the bill passed through the republican-led michigan legislature late on the night before the killings at newtown.

literally, just a few hours before that horrific scene became the center of the entire country's attention. when the bill got to his desk, governor snyder said right away that the newtown massacre was weighing on his decision. he told the ap that public safety concerns had been heightened and deserved extra consideration following friday's mass shooting. he said, quote, what that legislation says will be looked at through the lens of all that has happened. but then governor snyder told a story. he says he doesn't usually tell. a personal story about a shooting at his dorm back when he was a law student back in 1981. that shooter in 1981 first started a fire with molotov cocktails. mr. snyder was resident in the dorm. he said he went to deal with the fire alarm while two other ras went up to where the disturbance was happening. and one of those ras was shot and killed by the gunman. if circumstances had played out any differently, that most likely would have been me. this is something that has

additional impact on me because of my personal history. and today when that republican bill hit his republican governor's desk, the bill that would allow firearms into day-care centers and schools and churches, governor rick snyder vetoed it. a republican governor vetoing a republican gun bill that came out of his own totally republican legislature. that was maybe today's most unexpected news in the politics of guns. but it wasn't all. also today, the governor of colorado, democrat john hickenlooper made a big move. today he announced a $19 million expansion and redesign of his state's mental health system. and it includes a single state-wide statewide health line. and walk-in center across the state. and streamlined reporting of mental health commitments from gun sales. we learned of another multiple victim shooting. in longmont, colorado, a gunman killing three people in what

appears to be a domestic violence situation before shooting and killing himself. it was also news on guns today from a very unexpected quarter of the world of sports. jim boeheim is the head basketball coach at syracuse university. last night jim boeheim logged his 900th career win as a coach. that's a really big milestone. not many people have reached that milestone in the world of sports. but in his moment of being recognized for that rare achievement, this is what jim boeheim talked about during his postgame press conference. watch. >> if we in this country as americans cannot get the people to represent us to do something about firearms, we are a sad, sad society. and i'm not talking -- i'm a hunter. i've hunted. rifles, that's fine. if one person in this world, nra president, anybody, can tell me why we need assault weapons with 30 shots in the thing, if one person in the world -- this is our fault. this is my fault and your fault, your fault, all your faults.

we don't get out and do something about this. i saw one guy from representative i was very proud of, somebody in his state had just come out and said that we need more guns. we don't need less. we need to give teachers guns so they can shoot people. yeah, that's really good thinking to do that. we can't get this thing done, i don't know what kind of country we have. >> and that's how he ended his press conference. that was syracuse head coach jim boeheim, speaking at the press conference that was called to celebrate his 900th career win in college basketball. yes, we have had a lot of mass shootings in this country. i'm not sure we have had one that has resonated quite so acutely in so many widely different areas of american life. further news today, believe it or not, out of hollywood. the los angeles premier of quintin tarantino's new movie got canceled. it's a gunfight filled western just before the civil war. also the music industry. the new song out from the latest

album by the singer keshia, apparently the number three song in the country before the killings, it is being killed from rotations at radio stations around the country in the wake of the massacre. the title of the song is "die young." all these changes in the way american life and business and culture is conducted in the wake of friday's massacre. and stacking up all of those individual, in some cases unrelated changes, just from today, is just one way of quantifying how big a shock to all different kinds of american systems this tragedy has been. and it is tragedy that tends to knock us out of our normal orbit on issues related to guns in this country. that's been true for decades. it was true in 1968 when president lyndon johnson signed a new gun law in the wake of the assassination of martin luther king and bobby kennedy. after jfk, those were the second and third high profile political assassinations in a row that led lbj to marshall support for a new gun control act for the nation. and even then lbj only got half of what he wanted in that final bill.

>> i asked for the national registration of all guns and the licenses of those who carry those guns. for the fact of life is that there are over 160 million guns in this country. more firearms than families. and if guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal and out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. if the criminal with the gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country. the voices that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. they were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby that

has prevailed for the moment. in and election year. we have been through a great deal of anguish these last few months and these last few years. too much anguish to forget so quickly. so now we must complete the task with this long-needed legislation begins. we have come a long way. we have made much progress, but not near enough. >> president lyndon johnson, december 1968, the day he signed the gun control act. he got some of what he wanted in that law, but not all. the politics around guns have always been off to. even hbj, the master legislator, with nothing to lose at that point. he already announced he was not running for reelection of president. he had all the capital in the world coming out of this horrible series of tragedies in

1968. but with that he was only able to get half of what he wanted in the bill. but he did get half of what he wanted. he got a crackdown on mail-order guns. he got a crackdown on gun sales to kids and saturday night specials. he didn't get everything he wanted, but he did get something. and something matters. policy matters in this field. so what is the legislative low-hanging fruit now? the u.s. senate has done a very small part of it, unanimously passing a bill that allows federal officials to help local authorities respond to mass shootings or other violent crimes in public places, a jurisdictional thing. that's a start. that's something. but is it more possible now in a changed political landscape, in a changed country. what about the issue of federal research on guns? that's not allowed right now. back in the mid-'90s, an arkansas republican pushed an amendment through congress that is still in effect today. it strips the centers for disease control budget of $2.6 million specifically, because that is the exact amount the agency had spent on gun-related research. it also outlawed further research on gun control. that's what it says in the

amendment. none of the funds made available for injury, prevention and control at the centers for disease control may be used to advocate or promote gun control that is still the law. or how about allowing the government to release the information it is still allowed to compile about gun violence. once upon a time the atf used to release gun crime data to the public. but starting in 2003, republican congressman named todd teahart from congress started pushing through an amendment that would prevent the atf from releasing gun crime data to the public. he is gone from public, but his amendment lives on. it gets added to spending bills over year. so we aren't allowed to know what the atf knows about gun crime. maybe instead of banning research on gun violence, maybe we could now allow or even encourage research on gun violence. maybe we could make the data we do collect on gun violence more available and not less available. so far d.c. has not been able to pass a bill renewing the lapsed ban on high capacity ammunition magazines, not even after jared lee loughner used one last year

killing six people and wounding 13 others, including congresswoman gabby giffords. he wasn't able to be stopped until that extended magazine ran out of bullets and he tried to reload. we have not been able to close the so-called gun show loopholes so you would have to submit to a background check even if you buy a gun at a gun show, just like if you buy one at a store. we couldn't when columbine and virginia tech massacres put their weight to do that years ago. maybe the country has changed so much in the wake of this latest unfathomable tragedy that more unexpected things will happen, like that list of big unexpected things that happened today. president obama has already endorsed banning assault weapons again, including those high capacity magazines. he has also endorsed closing the gun show loophole. maybe he is reaching for what he sees now newly as the low hanging fruit in gun policy. the politics on this issue are always tough. everybody agrees on that. but if we just started with the low-hanging fruit, could there

be movement on this issue? joining us now is senator richard blumenthal of connecticut. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> do you think the environment has shifted on this issue because of what happened in your state that there is a new political reality in washington? >> i think there is a new political reality, but really, a seismic, almost tectonic shift in the public awareness of this issue, and the political sense that something must be done. that's what i hear constantly. and i've spent three or more days in newtown, connecticut, with the community there that is coming together and seeking to heal and expressing its grief. but again and again and again, law enforcement officials, people across connecticut, and i think across the country are saying we need to do something. and that's reflected in some of the developments that you've just cited. and i think in some of the expressions on the part of some of my colleagues in the senate

privately as well as publicly. i've spoken to some of my republican colleagues who came to me after we did a vigil just last night with interest in what can be done, the common sense, common ground that we can seek together. but it's never been a politically safe issue. it's going to be a tough one. and i'm committed to stay with it. i hope the american people. >> when people have seen through previous eras in washington, seen through gun control measures that seemed difficult, but eventually got done, one of the things they talk about is timing, marlparticularly when t public is galvanized because of an incident like this. does that mean there should be something put forward, even if it doesn't the most comprehensive change in the world in a way that could be done quickly during the lame duck session? something that could be done fast so that something else could be done more in the future? >> there is a great deal of focus. i need not tell you on the fiscal cliff, some of the issues

that were so much on people's minds even before this horrific tragedy that has galvanized public opinion. whether there is time in the next two weeks remains to be seen. certainly there are active efforts under way. the ban on assault weapons is being written now as we speak. my staff and others are involved. dianne feinstein, who has been such a lead on their issue, and others are taking the lead, the high capacity magazines certainly could be part of that measure. and increased background checks. only 60% of all the sales now involve those background checks. and they could be improved, perhaps administratively without additional legislation. and mental health efforts, funds and support for law enforcement so that they can better do their job. all of them are feasible and achievable whether in the next two weeks or in the first two weeks of the new congress when i

hope we can continue to move forward and build on this moment. we need to seize this moment. it is one that comes rarely in american political life when the political stars are aligned in a way that makes progress possible. but again, the american people are key to this effort. and your viewers and everyone involved in forming public opinion i think has a responsibility to continue talking about it, continue to raise public consciousness, and talk about what it means to have an assault weapon, how this killer was able to blast his way into the school with multiple 30-round clips and then use a weapon that was designed only to kill and maim people. not for hunting, not for recreation or competitive sport, but to kill and maim people at war. it's a military-style weapon. and that kind of reality i think

needs to be brought home. >> senator blumenthal, i know time is short. you're on your way back to connecticut. i novey know you've been in the state a lot since the incident happened. do you feel that the community is getting the support it needs, the resources it needs from the federal government and any other aspect we need to be tapping here beyond our sympathy and our prayers? >> there has been an outpouring across the nation. and newtown, you know, is a very strong, resolute, resilient community bound by faith. and the president's visit sunday night i think reflected feelings of the american people. he was very powerful and moving at the vigil that evening. and newtown has been supported because we know america is with newtown. and everywhere i go, again, people are expressing their grief and their sympathies. i will be back in connecticut for the next number of funerals that i have attended, as well as

the three days. and i will live forever with the sights and sounds, with the cries of anguish and grief of parents who emerged from that sandy hook firehouse knowing on friday early evening that they would never see their babies, beautiful children who went to school that day ready to build gingermen and learn their abcs. the brutality of this crime on children so young i think has touched something very deep and profound in america. and i hope we can seize this moment. >> senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, thank you so much for your time tonight, sir. good luck. >> thanks. >> all right. we've got lots more ahead. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work.

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according to this report, those leadership deficiencies led to a security posture at that u.s. consulate in benghazi that was, quote, grossly inadequate to deal with the attack that took place. according to "the new york times" and their reporting on this report, secretary of state hillary clinton has accepted all 29 of the panel's recommendations, including a number of those recommendations that are and will presumably remain classified. again, the report on the independent report on the attacks on the u.s. consulate in benghazi in libya has just been released. nbc news is still going through it at this hour. but this independent panel that has been investigating the attack in benghazi appears to be placing most of the blame tonight squarely on the u.s. state department. please stay tuned. ♪ these are...

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because of the threat, the other school that remained closed today is of course sandy hook where the shooting happened on friday. sandy hook will remain closed indefinitely. school administrators have made arrangements to send students to the neighboring town of monroe to a middle school there called chalk hill, which monroe had not been using. also today, two more funerals for two more children for two 6-year-olds, james mattioli and jessica rekos. young mattioli's obituary said he would want you to know he was not 6, he was 6 3/4 and he loved to play the lawn mowing game on the ipad. jessica wrote in journals and researched orca whales. both kids were buried today. a group of newtown residents has formed themselves into a group called newtown united. there is not necessarily people who have been politically active in the past or who have had any experience trying to change policies or get certain law

enacted. but some members of newtown united headed to washington today. they took the day off from their jobs. they woke up at dawn. they drove to washington to go meet with members of the brady campaign to prevent gun violence. newtown united, a group of people at the epicenter of national tragedy. one of the parents who traveled to washington today was lucky enough to have his child, who attends sandy hook elementary come home from that school on friday. but he said today that he is taking action now in the wake of the shootings because he does not think the next time it should just depend on luck. >> every time something like columbine, virginia tech were happening, i would avert my eyes, and i will still think that something will be done. but all those believes were shattered on friday. and now i think we all need to speak up. >> joining us now for the interview is the reverend welton gaddy. he is the pastor of the north

minister baptist church in monroe, louisiana. he is also head of the interfaith alliance. reverend gaddy, thanks for being here. >> thanks, rachel. >> seeing these folks from newtown trying to help lead a national reaction, do you think that proximity to a tragedy like this lends a kind of moral leadership, a moral signature that can help the rest of us trying to figure out what we ought to do in the wake of this? >> i certainly do, rachel. i think it is certainly moral integrity for them. they have the experience. they know what happened to them. they know what can happen to other people. and so they want to move. there is something else involved also, though, that i think is very therapeutic about this. because so many times when this happens in a community or even just a death among good friends, and people are just, you know, like this as to what will -- i feel so helpless. i don't know what to do. here is something to do.

here is a situation in which to grieve is to also imagine what can we do to stop needless grieving, needless deaths. the only thing that scares me about this, and it certainly can be overcome is in washington, moral authority doesn't really go very far. if it did, we would be feeding hungry people all over the world already. we would find it harder to go into war. and we would find it easier to get out of war. so these people are filled with passion and with empathy. and i'm glad to know who they went to see today, because they can be helped there. but this is not going to be quick. now, something may happen quickly. but the real solutions are going to take a while.

and they're going to be disappointed. they're going to go in to a room where there are people they think should be their friends and right, they should be, but they're feeling a political will that is being bat bird lobbyists, by the national rifle association, by people saying oh, you're just not realistic about living in this world. we have to have our guns to fight the government. we have to be prepared. and they're going to be sorely disappointed. that's when they have to reach deeply again into their guts and find that passion inside and say we're not going to be stopped by that. we've got to this done. >> i thought about you in watching president obama addressing that innerfaith service sunday night in newtown, quoting from scripture, speaking as a president but also as a man of faith. talking to people in interfaith, and diverse areas.

there are a lot of different types of tragedies that happen over a lot of different time in our country. this one has grabbed people by the heart, to see people so upset you see a lot of references to faith. you see a lot of people referencing faith and talking more about faith and more open than they usually do. do you feel like the religious community is being constructive in playing an important role? >> always, some of it is, and some of it is not. there are some people who are still as religious leaders, carrying political baggage and delivering political mail. and it makes me sick at my stomach to see that. i can't say enough good about newtown. i mean, i think they have handled this remarkably well. the interfaith component of that service was terribly important. and rachel, here is a place in which we can find a nation that is really divided can find common ground.

i don't know of a single religion that is not for protecting life, and seeing that children have a right and an opportunity to grow up and become the people they -- can intended to be. that is why i don't understand people who are carrying political baggage in that situation. and so those of us who see that this needs diversity coming into a unified voice, we have got to speak up. >> reverend gaddy, pastor in monroe, louisiana, and ahead of the interfaith, thank you, looking forward to talking to you. real heroes cannot be replaced when they're gone, but somebody has to take the job they leave behind, coming up next. fortunately we've got ink.

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. at 2:34 eastern this afternoon, white house press secretary jay carney issued a statement signed by president obama, ordered that flags be flown at half staff until sunset on the day of his interment,

his, is the hawaii senator, daniel inoue, flags will remain at half staff until sunset on sunday. which is when he will be buried in his native hawaii. one of the things that has become clear in the 24 hours since he died, is the almost unparalleled out sized respect he commanded from his senate colleagues, in part because of his war record. he is a recipient of the medal of honor, but also for his reputation of taking principled stands even as he was a senator who never looked for the limelight, he was never afraid to stand up for what he thought was right. during the iran contra hearings, he accused president ronald reagan of creating a shadowy government with its own navy and

air force, free from the law itself. he was right. in 2000, it was the senator who was among the tiny group of senators to vote against the authorization for the use of military force in iraq. despite the support of a popular president of his own party in 1996, it was senator inouye who took a stand and voted no on the defense of marriage act. he will lie in state on thursday. that is usually an honor reserved for former presidents of the united states. it has also been over the years accorded to a very few distinguished members of congress. and if he is not considered distinguished it is hard to imagine who would be. the passing of the senator opens up a seat in the state. the seat must be to a member of the party of the senator who has died. so the democratic party in hawaii in the next few weeks will submit to the governor a list of three potential nominees er